Do you want a meeting to discuss snorkel club / dive club?

Hi There,

I'm free on Tuesdays from 5pm to 5:25pm.

Does anyone want to meet to discuss this club?

Alternatively, I'm free Monday, Wednesday and Thursday after 6:15pm.

Cheers, Don.

I might make meeting to discuss this tomorrow Tuesday at 5, let you know by lunchtime tomorrow.

Tuesday at 5 suits me too

Hi!
Tuesday at 5 suits me great, as I finish at that time.

/Frida

We'll schedule this meeting for next week. We'll know where we stand with the S&S budget.

Don.

So next tuesday @ 5pm...where?

LOL @ simons pic btw

Does anyone have a meeting room in their dept. that can be booked for Tuesday 5 June at 5pm? With reception closed my choices are limited. I'm in a secure area so you can't have access to our meeting rooms.

Don.

At this time, most of finances rooms are free. more than welcome to come over here

Hi Dave,

Sounds good. Let us know how to get there.

Cheers, Don.

id meet ye at the old payroll location in finance and its two secs then, next tues @5pm

Where's the old payroll area? Has payroll moved in the last few weeks?

no no, same old place in finace. find that and ill find you

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Hi There,

This meeting was informal and we discussed snorkel training, diving and fees.

One topic that we discussed was equipment. You need Mask, Fins, Booties and snorkel. A wet suit or semi dry suit for insulation though Apple do have some suits for kayaking which can be loaned to us for the training. A weight belt with about 4kg of weight is also needed. Aldi have a special on this Thursday. I don't know what the quality would be like. The other option is Munster Dive and Canoe. (http://www.mdac.ie/)

If you have any questions or concerns then please email me. I'll will put together a Frequently Asked Question (FAQ) document by the end of the week. There is a lot of info already up on the forum (http://kayaksurfclub.googleboards.net/Snorkel-Dive-Club-f2.htm) which you can reference. I've already posted a FAQ on the forum page which I will paste in below.

I don't want to let this drag on any further or we'll miss the opportunity of snorkelling this summer. We'll need to collect €25 of people who are interested in joining so I can go about registering the club with CFT. Once I've 10 names I'll register the members and set up a club with CFT.

You can give the money to Frida, Simon or I.

Cheers, Don.

Frequently Asked Questions:

Pls adv on how much the fee will be? And how long is the training, i.e. how many times and how long will each session be?

Training:
Lectures: 2 or 3 hours of lectures. ( One evening)
Training: 2 hours of pool work. Including fitness test. (Two evenings)
Snorkelling: 5 open water snorkels of 30 mins each. (3 to 5 evenings)

Costs:
CFT affiliation fees and insurance: €50 per year. (€20 for students)
Snorkel Certs are €2 each.
Logbook: €5 or €10.

Once we submit our budget at the next S&S meeting we'll know how much we'll be subsidised by:

Can I just confirm that you need these contact details from all of us so we can proceed with surfing and snorkeling training in July/August?

The contact details are needed for snorkelling only. We need to register each member who's interested in joining the snorkel club with CFT. Alex is organising the surfing training and contact details are not needed for this. There are no plans to train people how to dive from scratch at the moment.

I just want to get some things clarified. Will this be a club for both snorkelling and scuba diving or just snorkelling? If I have a Divers cert with PADI would I have to crossover to CFT as told on CFT's homepage (
http://www.cft.ie/crossover.htm) to be permitted to go scuba diving with the club?

As far as I know, Padi doesn't teach snorkelling techniques. I haven't done a Padi course so I may be wrong. If you have learnt techniques like: Entries; snorkel technique; Surface Dives; Mask Clearing; Forward and Backward Rolls; Ditch and Recovery; 25m underwater swim; 25 swim with mask on forehead breathing through snorkel; 50m tow. Pool test will be given after the training. CFT's take is that you have to complete the training to get the ticket. If you can complete the fitness test and demonstrate all these skills your training could be complete after 30 mins.

For now I can train people to go snorkelling. There's too much time involved in setting up a dive club. As I'm involved with Cork SAC and helping NMCI SAC with their training I can't commit to a third club. To put things in perspective, Cork SAC has a budget of €40,000 to purchase a new boat. It would take many years for a new club to raise this amount of money to purchase a dive boat. To get really good diving in Ireland you need to do it from a boat. Also, it would cost each member in the region of €1,000 to €1,500 to purchase dive equipment.

Reply from Dave:

Someone with a PADI or other qualification, diving or snorkeling as an individual; is different from the same person doing it as part of an organized group, club, or society such as the Apple sports and social club. The difference is the legal liability of the organizers or club officials in the event that something goes wrong.

Personally I would not be involved with a sports organization here that was not adequately insured (Ireland is a very expensive place to get sued). Any umbrella organization offering insurance is going to insist that it's rules and recommendations regarding safety, training and certification are complied with (however crazy these may sometimes seem). Credit is typically given for prior training with other certifying bodies such as PADI, but even so, some experienced people may have to go back to basics for one or more training sessions, and attend some lectures, just to satisfy the conditions of membership. A diver with a PADI OW certification and just four dives logged in tropical waters, is treated pretty much the same by CFT as a diver with PADI AOW and two hundred dives in Irish waters, but those are the rules.

Realistically there are only two umbrella organizations in Ireland that cover a club engaged in diving or snorkeling. One is BSAC, and the other is CFT (affiliated to CMAS). PADI is for professional dive schools and instructors. Whilst their training is excellent, PADI certification does not cover public liability claims against you. DAN insurance covers individuals and businesses, but doesn't cover a club. There are no BSAC instructors in the Apple Sports and Social club (that I know of) but there are two CFT instructors willing to help novices and people with other prior qualifications achieve CFT certification. This allows members to snorkel or dive safely, as a club, without putting the organizers in a potentially ruinous situation.

~Don

Hi there,

I will be in the canteen (Mac cafe) tomorrow tuesday from about 12.30 - 12.45 to collect €25 for the reg fee. If you are unable to meet me there, either call up to me (Nordic aftersales, new buliding, upstairs) or send me an e-mail so we can arrange this some other way. Or give it to Simon or Don, and you will get a receipt from me later. Contact details can be sent to me via e-mail: lundgren.f@euro.apple.com

Name:
Address:
Phone:
DOB:
Apple ID:


Cheers,

Frida

Don has made some suggestions reg startingdates of the training:

Hi Frida,

I haven't booked the pool yet but I was thinking of starting lectures on Tuesday 3 July in Apple.

Pool work to be done on Thursday 5 of July and Thursday 12 July.

I'll probably book the pool from 8pm to 9pm.

Lectures can be done on Tuesday 3 from 6pm to 9pm.

How would these dates suit people?

Cheers, Don.
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Is this good for everyone?

/Frida

Frida wrote:

Is this good for everyone?

thats great for me

Dates good for me

Hi,

I will be away from the 15th of June to the 4th of July so I would miss the lectures.

/Johan

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Hi all,

as we are trying to get going with the training as soon as possible (we are aiming to start in the beginning of July) so that we can enjoy the snorkeling while the weather is nice, it would be great if all interested souls could contact either me or Don (depending of which side of the building you are working in) as soon as possible. On tuesday evening next week I will hand over all contact details and paid CFT (25 euro) fees to Don, so if you or someone you know would like to join the club pls let me know asap so that you wont miss out!!

Any questions post here (or send email) or call over.

For you that might have missed out on the previous information:

Contact details I we will need:
Name:
Address:
Phone:
DOB:
Apple ID:
preferred e-mail:

CFT fee is 25 euro.

Training:
Lectures: 2 or 3 hours of lectures. ( One evening)
Training: 2 hours of pool work. Including fitness test. (Two evenings)
Snorkelling: 5 open water snorkels of 30 mins each. (3 to 5 evenings)

We are planning on starting the lectures on July 3rd here in Apple.


You guys that have already paid, take no notice of this e-mail!!!



Kindest regards,

Frida Lundgren